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Wednesday, November 10, 2004
New Uproar on the FFF
A couple days ago, still refusing to e-mail me privately, Chris Farris posted a public and loud call to me to accept things the way they are. I told him to e-mail me as I had asked months ago. He did not, and his brother Jonathan Farris posted a rebuke to me (a typical ploy of the Farrises), so I posted the Biblical reasons that Christians are not to have Christian fellowship with disobedient and unrepentant professors of the faith, especially those who reject repentance for gross error and open defiance of Scripture. Here it is, in part:
Tim Lee chipped in. He's still pretty angry over my constant documentation of these abuses and my documentation over his amazing insistence that God would fail to give him grace (or that he would fail to receive it) if a member of his family were harmed (posting this in the presence of those who have been sexually abused and those who have children who were sexually abused, with no regard for their struggles---which are real, whereas his was a self-indulgent, chest-thumping, blubbering fantasy.) Tim insists that Chris Farris owes me nothing.
True. Chris Farris owes God repentance and his church restitution. The only reason the Farrises approach me is to silence me either by insults and intimidation or by grand standing attempts to pretend to apology. But Tim Lee is right on that front. If that church leadership repented and sought the Lord, I would document it. The fact that they take my objections to their sin as a personal insult is just part of that same enormous vanity that prevents them from repenting for disobeying Scripture.
The truth is, I don't hate drug pushers or even have a personal grudge against them, but I do my best to keep them out of my neighborhood and have them put in jail. And I don't hate the Farrises or feel much personal emotion about them. But they need to be out of church office because they have disqualified themselves from it. It's allegiance to the Scripture and concern for the innocent and vulnerable that prompts people to want idolators out of the pulpit.
But it is true, the Farrises owe me nothing. They owe God their repentance, and if they would repent, they would bring forth the fruits of repentance, and everybody would see those fruits.
SO today I got an e-mail from Keith Call. Keith is a lurker on the forum who occasionally sends me his scathing assessments of the IFBx crowd. Today, and I'm not sure which post triggered his response, he commented on Guy Beaumont, aka BAPTIST:
The reference to the Stockholm Syndrome intrigued me, because I have heard it linked to IFBx-cultism before. I want to write more about it, but don't have time right now.
A couple days ago, still refusing to e-mail me privately, Chris Farris posted a public and loud call to me to accept things the way they are. I told him to e-mail me as I had asked months ago. He did not, and his brother Jonathan Farris posted a rebuke to me (a typical ploy of the Farrises), so I posted the Biblical reasons that Christians are not to have Christian fellowship with disobedient and unrepentant professors of the faith, especially those who reject repentance for gross error and open defiance of Scripture. Here it is, in part:
I will not have peace with you until you make peace with God.
Your church leadership has engaged in idolatry, from which it has not repented.
Your church leadership openly defied the Scriptural mandate for purity in church office by bringing a divorced man with a history or violence and rampant adultery onto church staff.
Your church leadership hid that man's sin when he was once again caught, and refused to bring him before the congregation for biblical discipline.
Your church leadership passed him to another unwitting church congregation.
You have openly advocated the pastorates of disobedient, ignorant, and wrathful man in complete disregard for God's Word and the laws laid down in Scripture for the office of elder.
Your behavior has been deceitful, spiteful, petty, and even vulgar. You have not changed.
You are unfit for the office you claim; your father is unfit, and your brother is unfit. You will lead that flock into shame again because you continue to embrace shame and disobnedience. I plan to continue to document your disobedience, and I plan to continue to speak on behalf of those victims of Dave Hyles that you want to remain forgotten.
Tim Lee chipped in. He's still pretty angry over my constant documentation of these abuses and my documentation over his amazing insistence that God would fail to give him grace (or that he would fail to receive it) if a member of his family were harmed (posting this in the presence of those who have been sexually abused and those who have children who were sexually abused, with no regard for their struggles---which are real, whereas his was a self-indulgent, chest-thumping, blubbering fantasy.) Tim insists that Chris Farris owes me nothing.
True. Chris Farris owes God repentance and his church restitution. The only reason the Farrises approach me is to silence me either by insults and intimidation or by grand standing attempts to pretend to apology. But Tim Lee is right on that front. If that church leadership repented and sought the Lord, I would document it. The fact that they take my objections to their sin as a personal insult is just part of that same enormous vanity that prevents them from repenting for disobeying Scripture.
The truth is, I don't hate drug pushers or even have a personal grudge against them, but I do my best to keep them out of my neighborhood and have them put in jail. And I don't hate the Farrises or feel much personal emotion about them. But they need to be out of church office because they have disqualified themselves from it. It's allegiance to the Scripture and concern for the innocent and vulnerable that prompts people to want idolators out of the pulpit.
But it is true, the Farrises owe me nothing. They owe God their repentance, and if they would repent, they would bring forth the fruits of repentance, and everybody would see those fruits.
SO today I got an e-mail from Keith Call. Keith is a lurker on the forum who occasionally sends me his scathing assessments of the IFBx crowd. Today, and I'm not sure which post triggered his response, he commented on Guy Beaumont, aka BAPTIST:
He [Guy Beaumont] snipes and cuts and berates, then announces that none of us should take the forum "too seriously," then claims to be praying for us. He hurts us because he loves us. Like Hyles, he chastises and humiliates his circle of influence because he's "investing" in us. Such tender pastoral care.
And this works for certain "sheep." As I've commented before, it's
essentially the Stockholm Syndrome, in which the captive falls in love
with his captors.
Is it any wonder that HAC and its ilk are nuthouses? Whose psyche
could survive this?
The reference to the Stockholm Syndrome intrigued me, because I have heard it linked to IFBx-cultism before. I want to write more about it, but don't have time right now.
