When Ignorance Rules the Pulpit

Molesters should be butchered like Hogs

Posted by Martin Luther Hyles on Mar-4-04 3:49am
cross post from another site.....but i agree with him.

Ol' Sparky is too good for them!

I'M MADDER than La Toya Jackson in a talent contest at how these filthy, child-molesting vermin are being treated with kid gloves by our bleeding-heart criminal justice system.

Not only do pedophile priests get a free ride, courtesy of "understanding" bishops, but celebrities who violate our children are allowed to walk the streets free for years -- even after the whole world knows their dirty little secret.

Well, I say it stops right now.

We ought to butcher these scum like hogs. The electric chair is too good for them, if you ask me. Why should some self-respecting Mafia hit man who'd cut off his right arm before he'd hurt a kid have to sit in Ol' Sparky after it's been soiled by a cowardly piece-of-garbage child molester?

[More chest thumping and throat yodeling follows in original.]

Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs

Posted by BASSENCO on Mar-4-04 9:48am
(In reply to: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs posted by Martin Luther Hyles on Mar-4-04 3:49am)

A line of separation exists between acting like an unbeliever and acting in faith towards God. If we didn't believe in God and instead believed that man is the measure of all things, then we would have no restraint on torturing people to death for their crimes.

But one purpose of God's form of capital punishment is that it places God at the top of the hierarchy of those who have a right to judge criminals and pass sentence on them. The end goal of capital punishment is not to inflict suffering as well as death. The end goal is recognize that what the criminal did exceeds the authority of a fellow created being in passing proper final judgement. Capital punishment commits an offender into God's Hand, for God to pass the judgements of eternity onto the person: right there, right then, where man cannot call him back.

Human beings are made in the image of God (including child molesters), and there is a sacredness in being a human being because of the image that we bear. (That's why murdering a person, defiling a person by sexual assault, etc. should be capital offenses---and are capital offenses in the Scripture---because such crimes attempt to deface the image of God.)

So when a human being commits any criminal offense, it's not up to the injured party to try him or her; it's not up to a posse, it's not up to a lynch mob. It's up to God's decreed authority (government). And for capital offenses, we Christians recognize that God is the final judge in such a serious case.

By faith, we want to see the person deprived of life without reprieve because we see that God is the rightful final judge in cases where things beyond our power have been violated (the sanctity of human life, which human beings cannot recreate).

So, no, I don't think molesters should be butchered like hogs. If I didn't believe in the sacredness of human life and just wrath of God I would want such things. But I recognize that I am not a powerful enough person to inflict such suffering on anybody who bears the image of God. My job is to follow scripture in wanting a speedy death for such an offender, and by faith I recognize that God has the final say and judgement.

The idea that our society would ever descend into butchering, flaying, burning alive is revolting. And if we ever do descend into such behaviors, they would be another indication that the fear of God has departed from us, and we look to ourselves as the ultimate measure of right and wrong.

Instead of hopping up and down in excited anger at wrongdoing, Christians achieve better results by behaving with composure and making our reference points clear. We know that God is in control. We can act with knowledge, clarity, and we can rely on a purposeful reasoning when we confront such gross sins and crimes.

BASSENCO

Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs

Posted by twiceborn on Mar-4-04 10:31am
(In reply to: Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs posted by BASSENCO on Mar-4-04 9:48am)

That is all easily said, and done, UNLESS it is your baby girl that was violated....that is when this man would want to wrap his hands around their throut, and choke the life out of them....I kinda think the tennessee toothpick idea would work.

Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs

Posted by BASSENCO on Mar-4-04 10:46am
(In reply to: Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs posted by twiceborn on Mar-4-04 10:31am)

But that's what faith is---surrendering our responses to what our senses tell us (what we see and hear) to what God has told us is true (what we know of Him and His reign). Faith is *only* evident when it rules over the flesh and over rides the inclinations of the flesh. Faith and flesh are always in battle, and the stakes are always high and costly.

BASSENCO

Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs

Posted by Marine on Mar-4-04 11:46am
(In reply to: Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs posted by BASSENCO on Mar-4-04 10:46am)

You mess with my daughter or son or you mess with my grandchildren and I am going to mess with you. When I am through messing with you then we can get back on a spiritual plane.

Castration is too good for a child molester. If they are that bad then put them in the electric chair and do them and us all a big favor.

God is God and his grace is far beyond my understanding. But I am not God and I don't have that much grace. Good to see that Bass does though.

A man in Sacremento just this week was arrested for having sex with a TWO MONTH OLD BABY!!He took pictures of it! I would have no difficulty with taking him into a field and shooting him like the dirty mangy animal that he is.

Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs

Posted by BASSENCO on Mar-4-04 12:10pm
(In reply to: Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs posted by Marine on Mar-4-04 11:46am)

And that would be sin, Marine. Because your first obligation is to obey God and not your inclinations. Acting like a pagan is for pagans. Acting according to faith in God is for Christians.

BASSENCO

Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs

Posted by Marine on Mar-4-04 12:23pm
(In reply to: Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs posted by BASSENCO on Mar-4-04 12:10pm)

[from BASSENCO, posted without quotes] And that would be sin, Marine. Because your first obligation is to obey God and not yoru inclinations. Acting like a pagan is for pagans. Acting according to faith in God is for Christians.

BASSENCO [EOQ]

Marine>> God said drown them in the ocean!

Tim Lee---A sinner saved by grace!

Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs

Posted by BASSENCO on Mar-4-04 12:25pm
(In reply to: Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs posted by Marine on Mar-4-04 12:23pm)

Where did He say that?

BASSENCO

Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs

Posted by Marine on Mar-4-04 12:28pm
(In reply to: Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs posted by BASSENCO on Mar-4-04 12:25pm)

MT 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Tim Lee---A sinner saved by grace!

Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs

Posted by BASSENCO on Mar-4-04 12:56pm
(In reply to: Re: Molesters should be butchered like Hogs posted by Marine on Mar-4-04 12:28pm)

He is NOT telling *us* to do that. This verse proves what I am saying. Christ is talking about impending judgement from God on such sinners. Thus we promptly execute capital offenders and commit them to God who will punish justly according to the grossness of the sin that sought to defile His image (a human being).

BASSENCO

Bassenco: We need a Hog Killin' Revival.

Baloney Bassenco.

Scripture provides for not only civil justice and authority, but also private revenge. God founded three institutions upon this earth: the church, the state, and the family.

Each of these institutions is charged with specific duties to God and neighbor. Consequently, each institution is empowered to regulate and defend itself against attack.

In the case of sexual sin, we find that all three institutions are attacked. Therefore all three institutions have an obligation to defend themselves and exact punishment.

In Texas the State defends itself and the victims through trial, incarceration, and the intravenous "Go to Hell Cocktail."

The Church is to defend itself through censure, suspension from the Lord's table, excommunication, and separation.

The Father or near Kinsmen is to defend the family through direct violence, either to stop a proximate threat, or to exact punishment upon the perpetrator at a later time.

In the United States, Families have no legal standing in defending themselve except against proximate threats(self defense). The fact that our nation does not value family preservation so highly does not negate the biblical directives found in Moses.

Christ's test, "He who is without Sin" is repetition of the codified OT directive forbidding a man from condemning another when that man is guilty of the same sin. Such a directive would apply to the present situation only if the accusers were guilty of a similarly heinous crime.

[End poem snipped]

Re: Bassenco: We need a Hog Killin' Revival.

Bass is the only one who has been completely sanctified on here. The rest of us are in a real mess.

Tim Lee---A sinner saved by grace!

(rolls eyes)

I am not so sure that God has much grace for

Posted by Marine on Mar-4-04 12:04pm

someone who hurts a child.


MT 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Tim Lee---A sinner saved by grace!

Re: I am not so sure that God has much grace for

I'm sure God has no grace for anybody who believes his way is better than God's way just because the circumstances are quite extreme.

BASSENCO

Re: I am not so sure that God has much grace for

[from BASSENCO, posted without quotes] I'm sure God has no grace for anybody who believes his way is better than God's way just because the circumstances are quite extreme.

BASSENCO [EOQ}

Marine>>I am not for sure that God has grace for someone who has set her high and might self up as everyone else's judge!

Tim Lee---A sinner saved by grace!

Re: I am not so sure that God has much grace for

Who did I judge? Those who believe that their ways are better than God's ways?

Do you actually think God is gracious to such attitudes of having a better way than God's ways?

BASSENCO

Re: Do you Have Children/Bass

[from BASSENCO, posted without quotes] I am not arguing what I would **want** to do. I know what I would **want** to do. I am arguing that it's still wrong and faithless to do what I want to do. [EOQ]

Marine>> If a man was raping you and you could reach out and grab a .38 claiber pistol and blow his brains away,would you do it or would you pray for more faith to see you through it?

Tim Lee---A sinner saved by grace!

You've changed the subject

Self defense is allowed in scripture. And of course I would defend myself. But after I've subdued him, to torture the man to death, butchering him like a hog, is not permitted. Yes I would probably want to make him suffer. But to do that is to yield to the flesh against the promptings of the Word of God.

Faith isn't easy on the flesh. It mortifies the flesh to live by faith. But we still have a God in whom we can place faith and confidence. And we don't fully know until we place our confidence in Him that He is able to sustain us. But when we fail to do that, we have turned to the flesh.

Faith always battles the flesh, and it's always costly to the flesh to live by faith. But we are comanded to live by faith. And faith is the way we Christians live.

BASSENCO