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Sunday, October 26, 2003
 | Pastor Marty Braemer SpeaksYesterday on the FFF, I posted a request for information on the correct dates for a timeline on Jack Hyles. Although Jonathan Farris himself gave me the year that Dave Hyles came to PPBT, Marty Braemer went berserk as only a hundred percenter can. I'm not going to include his whole post, but you can go check it on the FFF. I'm presenting the title and date: |
BASS, SELF APPOINTED JUDGE & JURY
Posted by Pastor Marty Braemer on Oct-25-03 11:54am
(In reply to: Timeline Questions posted by BASSENCO on Oct-25-03 6:47am)
Hey Bass...
All kidding aside and I mean this from the bottom of my heart (don't bother to waste your breath with a Bass-o-matic Rebuke either): Take your time line and SHOVE IT! [More follows in original]
I wasn't all that surprised that a hundred percenter would say this to anybody. And where some people would be especially surprised that anybody styled as a pastor would say it to a woman, I figure that a woman is more likely to get such a remark from these hundred percenters. They don't know what to do with women who don't fit their view of what a woman is. And since no woman can fit that view, they're always angry and frustrated with women.
Anyway, I told him his compassion is slipping and figured it would be the end of it. But then a lot of people jumped in. I was surprised again. Maybe I'm jaded. I figure Marty's acting exactly as he's been programmed to act. And it's worse for him because he is losing his security blanket. Marty's world is not a safe world unless Jack Hyles is God's man. And now that so many forces are toppling that idol, Marty is a high priest with no god to serve. He probably is having a spiritual crisis, and I'm sure the world is not making sense to him right now. I think Jack Hyles does form a big part of the personal religion of these 100 percenters. Idolatry is always painful, and it always comes to this: the idol is toppled and a way of life goes into crisis as it finds it has to end and begin anew. But I'm mindful of the fact thata few virgins always get sacrificed in desperation by the high priests when a false god is destroyed. So I try to be careful.
 | Anyway, while the dim witted BAPTIST (of course) engaged in some mutual back slapping with Marty for having posted what they both thought was a witty and unstoppable declarationSpeed Racer, Green Beret, hugo and some posters I'm not as familiar with, (justmama), jumped in to rebuke him for his language. Marty and BAPTIST kept arguing, of course, for they seemed to think it was quite a victory, while meanwhile, curious FFF'ers were re-checking my site to see what in the world I am posting that got Marty so mad. (See the post on the Hyles Dynasty, below.) So site visits for the day almost doubled. And yes, I did post my thanks to Marty and BAPTIST for increasing my readership. Finally, this morning, I saw that Marty had posted an apology of sorts: |
| | Re: A Word for AllPosted by Pastor Marty Braemer on Oct-26-03 2:56am (In reply to: A Word for Pastor Marty posted by Peace on Oct-25-03 9:20pm) |
I apologize for my choice of phrase. Though I stand by assessment of her as a pot stirring trouble maker who is NEVER taken to task by those who support her anti IFB slant without question and defend her "passion" and "zeal", as a pastor I should not have lowered myself to her level.
You'll see in his statement that Marty is actually blaming me for any indignity that I suffer. I'm "never taken to task by those who support [my] anti IFB slant" etc. This is a good snapshot of the mind of some of these guys. A woman needs to be kept in line. Her male friends really need to take her to task, because listening to her is not nearly as important as controlling her. It's not a question of getting input and exchanging ideas for the best possible consideration: it's a matter of keeping a woman under control. Of course, if you view the thread, you see that plenty of the FFF guys are confident enough and self assured enough (and respect God enough) to treat women with respect and courtesy. But not the 100 percenters.
And please don't blame God or blame the Bible for this. Malachi chapter two includes the prophet's rebuke to the men of Judah for treating their women badly, warning them twice to take heed to their spirit, and telling them that God would cut them off for their sins against their wives. Whether that warning is a threat of death or alienation from God, I'm not sure. But Peter's admonition to men to treat their wives with honor and concern is backed up by asserting that such behavior is necessary so that their prayers are not hindered, a possible echo of Malachi chapter two, according to some scholars. One reason that the 100 percenters and Hyles-Style churches are in the state they're in is that prayer has become a contest to them, and while this has on occasion produced a lot of babbling, overall they have very little use for or time for prayer. And I think they've lost the power of prayer because of the way they treat their wives and other women.
Concerning the Lord Jesus, remember that it was a woman who first knew that He was coming. It was a woman who first identified Him as the One who must die for His people's sins, (the woman with the alabaster box). Women stayed by Him on the Cross when His disciples had fled, and women were the first to see that He had risen and a woman was the first to speak to the risen Savior. The Bible teaches that the dispensation of gifts is given across both genders. Though rule and authority are given to men in ecclesiastical matters, power still comes to the humble and contrite heart. And Mary herself, sister of Martha, was given the student's place at the feet of the Lord Jesus---a position that the Lord would not allow to be taken from her.
Furthermore in the Bible, no woman is ever recorded as objecting to or resisting the ministry of Christ. And every woman that Christ encounters, including a Samaritan woman and an adulterous woman who is about to be put to death, receives rescue from Christ. Twice, he raised the dead on behalf of women. Even when He sensed that His time had not yet come, He granted his mother's request and produced wine for the wedding feast. So when these hundred percenters go off on their power plays, and speak vile words to women, don't think it's Scriptural. It's not. The evidence of where the Grace of God settles will be in the demonstration of the Grace of God. Where Grace is not demonstrated, Grace is not present.
