Blog on the Lillypad
Tuesday, August 05, 2003
Over on the Fighting Fundamentalist forum (and yes, here is such a place), a troll the following:
If you think this is scary, bear in mind that some of these guys really believe this. Jim Berg once said that the weakest form of authority is the authority that we claim and try to enforce. This is why Fundy men shout so much. It's all they can do. Anyway, while Christ the Saviour is meek and kind, ready to bind up and mend the broken, you'll find that Fundy men are pretty quck to tear down, as rule. Of ocurse, there are some sterling exceptions who try to pull the entire movement back to some semblence of civility.
Anyway, here's the first rule of Fundy conduct: men are right and women are wrong. And if women aren't wrong, it's okay to tell them that they are, because by God's will, they should be wrong.
Rule number two is that if anybody disagrees with you, he or she is gay. Hence, after I once again showed how unbiblical this guy's statement is, he called me a lesbian, but one of the other guys shamed him out of it, so he deleted the post.
Then the other guy told me that as my father is dead and I have no husband, I should be under my pastor's authority. After trying to explain in vain that my poor pastor does not especially need every unmarried woman in the chuch without a father to come under his authority (and one of the men told me I would be amazed at how readily he and his wife would accept such an arrangement), I waded through some further name calling from a few of the men and said it was not Scriptural and would only embarrass my pastor to have me asking his permission and advice on what to write, when to pick up a new contract for employment, etc. So the guy who pulled the pastoral authority line said he'd never told me to do those things. So I posted the following:
To this, he made no reply.
The Bible is explicitly clear that a woman is not to usurp authority over a man. Does this not include bashing him and trying to make him to seem less intelligent and appear to be the weaker vessel mentally and spiritually. Some of you women would never wear pants... but you need to. Furthermore, you should just go ahead and put on your husbands weapon of war or his utensils and be honest about your violation of Deutoronomy 22:5.
My KJV says that a woman is to have a meek and quiet spirit.
If you think this is scary, bear in mind that some of these guys really believe this. Jim Berg once said that the weakest form of authority is the authority that we claim and try to enforce. This is why Fundy men shout so much. It's all they can do. Anyway, while Christ the Saviour is meek and kind, ready to bind up and mend the broken, you'll find that Fundy men are pretty quck to tear down, as rule. Of ocurse, there are some sterling exceptions who try to pull the entire movement back to some semblence of civility.
Anyway, here's the first rule of Fundy conduct: men are right and women are wrong. And if women aren't wrong, it's okay to tell them that they are, because by God's will, they should be wrong.
Rule number two is that if anybody disagrees with you, he or she is gay. Hence, after I once again showed how unbiblical this guy's statement is, he called me a lesbian, but one of the other guys shamed him out of it, so he deleted the post.
Then the other guy told me that as my father is dead and I have no husband, I should be under my pastor's authority. After trying to explain in vain that my poor pastor does not especially need every unmarried woman in the chuch without a father to come under his authority (and one of the men told me I would be amazed at how readily he and his wife would accept such an arrangement), I waded through some further name calling from a few of the men and said it was not Scriptural and would only embarrass my pastor to have me asking his permission and advice on what to write, when to pick up a new contract for employment, etc. So the guy who pulled the pastoral authority line said he'd never told me to do those things. So I posted the following:
On the one hand you say that a single woman with no husband should be under her pastor's authority. Yet when I tell you that I do as I think best in regard to my business, ministry, service, and career, without consulting my pastor, you seem to think that's fine and you insist that you never suggested I should do otherwise. So what then, do you mean by being under my pastor's authority?
Certainly I accord him respect and deference. Yet if he should preach opposite to what is doctrinally correct about Christ, I would leave in a heartbeat and find another church. And if he were to fall into adultery (as a previous pastor did), I would vote him out (as I did with the previous pastor). So even in that sense my respect and deference for him stem from my decision to be respectful and deferential to him according to the Scripture and would change in accord with Scripture, not with his authority.
Once again, T-----, an honest appraisal of your words leads me to think you are saying two opposite things at once.
To this, he made no reply.
